Similar Deck Space Card Recommendations Commander Recommendations. When it comes to Obeka (and [[Sundial of the Infinite]]), there is a difference between "until end of turn" and "at the beginning of the next end step". Ending the turn this way means the following things happen in order: 1) All spells and abilities on the stack are exiled. by DavidBray, Obeka, Temporal Mistress Obeka, Brute Chronologist Commander Primer - Decklist & How to Play. Also "in turn order" doesn't necessarily mean "starting with the active player". Obeka, Brute Chronologist As Commander As Card Average Deck Obeka, Brute Chronologist (Commander) $0.35 $0.25 0.29 TIX 5291 decks (0.269%) Rank #71 Navigation By Theme By Budget All Cheap Expensive Links Aetherhub Archidekt Deckstats Gatherer Moxfield MTGGoldfish MTGStocks Scryfall Average Type Distribution Sundial of the infinite has been one of my favorite cards for awhile because of the weird rules associated with ending the turn prematurely. Infinity is not a number, so you cannot select it. I use Mass Diminish more aggressively, to make a player hyper-vulnerable to attackers (and make them unable to counter attack), getting two casts is just savage. If Obeka, Brute Chronologist is used to end the turn before an end step starts the triggers will trigger on the next turn's end step. Cantrips like Ponder and Preordain are also good at digging for a land, but I know in Talrand it stings pretty bad when you Preordain and don't find a land and I needed one. This site is unaffiliated. slythr: Answers to your question have been up for a while. 2) If there are any attacking and blocking creatures, they're removed from combat. The discussion above applies to these abilities as they do to "at the beginning of the next end step" abilities, except "end step" is replaced with "end of combat step". The player whose turn it is discards down to their maximum hand size. So they can still say "no I want my turn to continue.". I would even argue there is no loop to propose. ._1sDtEhccxFpHDn2RUhxmSq{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-flow:row nowrap;flex-flow:row nowrap}._1d4NeAxWOiy0JPz7aXRI64{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText)}.icon._3tMM22A0evCEmrIk-8z4zO{margin:-2px 8px 0 0} I think we need more artifact mana. Min price of the total 35 cards for sale. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. All in all, lots of Magic on my mind. You might also run stuff like Thran Dynamo or Worn Powerstone to help you hit higher MVs sooner, ramping by only 1 mana feels bad compared to hitting a land drop most of the time, there is also Gilded Lotus, but hitting 5 mana can be rough. either he does it once and tries to do it again and he's repeating the board state before "demonstrating a loop", or he's stacking x number of unresolved obeka activations. 30-day money back guarantee. ._3bX7W3J0lU78fp7cayvNxx{max-width:208px;text-align:center} It doesn't work at all. This kind of ability goes on the stack after it triggers (C.R. by darrenhabib 2 years ago, Post Out of stock. Obeka, Brute Chronologist As Commander As Card Average Deck Decks Combos Obeka, Brute Chronologist (Card) $0.35 $0.25 0.29 TIX In 3180 decks 1% of 232421 decks Navigation Aetherhub Archidekt Deckstats Gatherer Moxfield MTGGoldfish MTGStocks Scryfall Average Type Distribution The other players are nonactive players. " Terms of Use | Rule juggling is fun but you're overlooking other rules. Steal shit, don't give it back. This includes spells and abilities that can't be countered. Help | What you are looking for are words that qualify that specific end of turn. There are some good resources to show the difference between what goes on the stack and what doesnt with end of turn effects but I dont have them on hand currently and you do have the correct understanding of what effects go on the stacks and what doesnt. Say you could build a deck around just Goatnapper-ing someone else's commander and now swinging back at them? If that happens, the active player (or, if the active player is not involved in the loop, the first player in turn order who is involved) must then make a different game choice so the loop does not continue. Potentially showing that Wizards intended the terms to be interchangeable, at least on older cards. : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. TCGPlayer Mkt $565 - 472. If you end the turn once it has, the trigger won't ever resolve. Which is why "the next end step" works, because when your opponent ends their turn its technically the turn after the "next end of turn" and doesn't trigger. ._3-SW6hQX6gXK9G4FM74obr{display:inline-block;vertical-align:text-bottom;width:16px;height:16px;font-size:16px;line-height:16px} by darrenhabib 1 year ago. Card Number: 289. by JovialJovian 2 years ago, Post Cards that grant players an extra turn are always good to keep an eye on. The trigger to exile the tokens happens on your end step, so using Obeka lets you keep the tokens permanently. $1.80. yeaGO i was thinking for commander wise Crosis, the Purger, Lord Xander, the Collector,Marchesa, Nekusar, the Mindrazer, Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Here is how it would work. Well finally got my sweaty palms on the cards needed for the deck and played out about 10 games. I proceed to combat and trigger Myriad off a Broodbirth Viper and end the turn with Obeka, Brute Chronologist before the end of combat to keep the myriad tokens. And even if I'm wrong on both of those, I can almost gaurentee that if you tried this at a tournament a judge would accept "I'm going to say no to ending my turn indefinitely" as a reasonable way to end this loop. Average Deckbox Price. If you want to completely negate an end step trigger you can wait until it is put on the stack, and then end the turn in response. Anyway, I just wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything on this. Not if 720.3[edit 722.3] (added reference in OP) takes effect. Thus, you can't use Obeka (or Sundial of the Infinite) to keep "until end of turn" or "this turn" effects running after the current turn is over. In response you, as the active player, activate obeka. ._1x9diBHPBP-hL1JiwUwJ5J{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:#ff585b;padding-left:3px;padding-right:24px}._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4{height:16px;padding-right:4px;vertical-align:top}.icon._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{height:20px;vertical-align:middle;padding-right:8px}.QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{height:18px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:top}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 .QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)} I do not think there has been a day the last five years where I have not had a deck in my hands trying to tune it to perfection. He occupies a happy place in my Obeka, Brute Chronologist deck. Rulings. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Card Name: Obeka, Brute Chronologist Mana Cost: Converted Mana Cost: 4 Types: Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard Card Text: : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. Has Purphoros been working well for you? The game advances through the lowest number of iterations chosen and the player who chose that number receives priority. Add To Wishlist Restock Notice Gatherer & Rulings. Damage wears off, and "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end. The Commander's Quarters is your Magic the Gathering source that helps you Command Your Budget! ._3oeM4kc-2-4z-A0RTQLg0I{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-pack:justify;justify-content:space-between} Obeka, Brute Chronologist. Effects that last until the end of a turn end during the cleanup step of that turn. Playtest v1. Commander Legends: Obeka, Brute Chronologist. by not-a-cube 2 years ago, Post You have to choose a finite amount of times to execute the loop. From what I understand, end step effects go on the stack and can be canceled by ending the turn with Obeka, but until end of turn effects do not go on the stack and happen with the cleanup step, therefore they cannot be interacted with. : The player whose turn it is may end the turn. 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Legendary Creature Ogre Wizard 3/4: The player whose turn it is may end the turn. It would be the active player not the one who started the loop. Your opponents, thus, can say no as many times as they want. I reasoned that the lore behind him had something to do with the ancient past, but I thought he was even older -- perhaps the beloved he sought was the legendary Rebbec! @keyframes ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5{0%{transform:rotate(0deg)}to{transform:rotate(1turn)}}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq{--sizePx:0;font-size:4px;position:relative;text-indent:-9999em;border-radius:50%;border:4px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyTextAlpha20);border-left-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);transform:translateZ(0);animation:ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5 1.1s linear infinite}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq,._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{width:var(--sizePx);height:var(--sizePx)}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{border-radius:50%}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq._2qr28EeyPvBWAsPKl-KuWN{margin:0 auto} Obeka, Brute Chronologist - All good things must come to an END. So you can activate obeka in the cleanup step. Opponent says no. 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