As others have commented, folks should remember that those Cadets that you give a hard time to will in a short time become those officers that are in charge of writing your NCOERs never mind the fact that they also will be your leaders when deployed in a combat zone ( I served in the 1st Cav Div during Desert Shield and Storm), in other words garbage in equals garbage out. But only a complete cadidiot would get his or her cadet rank confused with an NCOs authority and influence. A Gunny at 29Palms RTAMS and a Chief at NASA/AMES CA are among my most treasured mentors. sgm guevara's awards and decorations include the bronze star, meritorious service medal (2nd award), the army commendation medal (3rd award), the army achievement medal (4th award), the master parachutist badge, the ranger tab, the pathfinder badge, the combat infantryman badge, the expert infantryman badge, the air assault badge, the el salvador Specifically, it allows them to try their hands at officership, and to get a feel for the kinds of officer/NCO relationships that are essential to the success of our Army. Tired of all the "barracks lawyers" looking for some sort of designated, assigned, or "official" trappings of respect; absent the need to EARN that respect. Am forwarding this to my son. 319th Civil Engineering Squadron. If cadets, during this valuable leadership experience, are not given the chance to act as lieutenants and acting platoon leaders, then the whole CLTC program should be scrapped. They're inchoate officers. She has served as Operations NCOIC since 2017. Look at any Command where a COL thru Gen and you will see a whole lot of Soldiers both Officers and NCOs running and doing everything to make that command function! (3) Senior regularly assigned Army Soldier refers (in order of priority) to officers, WOs, cadets, NCOs, specialists, or privates present for duty unless they are ineligible under paragraphs 2-15 or 2-16. Life 101. I can't speak for the Air Force, but the Navy certainly does. Command Sergeant Major: CSM Scott Drewes: The West Point Band (also known as the U.S. Military Academy Band or USMA Band) is the U.S. Army's oldest active band and the oldest unit at the United States Military Academy, traces its roots to the American Revolutionary War. The two year enlistment term allowed for cadets who had to temporarily halt training because of illness or injury. I'm popping into the conversation late, but I completely agree (not that you can argue with the regs). He has developed the course SS493 Music & Influence, which he teaches in the Department of Social Sciences. Yet, still burdened with the unsocial characteristic of the enlisted class. If you salute a cadet, who is not a commissioned officer you would be making the entire "First Salute" ceremony asinine if cadets had been entitled to salutes the entire time. Word of advice, if you want to write an op-Ed then you should submit it for publication. CTLT happens in all kinds of units, both in the US and OCONUS. She graduated from Conway High School in 1989. This essay is an unofficial expression of opinion; the views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of West Point, the Department of the Army, U.S. One might argue that a cadet who is SMP, simultaneous membership program, would be regularly assigned. Every single SNCO I've come in contact with in ROTC has developed me as an Officer. Salutes will be exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted personnel, and with personnel of My Drill Sargeant after our last 12 mile road, reminded all of us that until the graduation ceremony and recite the enlistment oath only the will we officially be soldiers. The cadet does not outrank a senior NCO E7 or above. Before her arrival, she lived in New York City as a Kenan Fellow at the Lincoln Center Institute. The platoon sergeant major, and his cavalry counterpart, the troop sergeant major, were part of a project giving experienced non-commissioned officers command of units ( platoons and troops) formerly reserved for commissioned officers. America's Oldest U.S. Army Garrison & Home to the United States Military Academy Col. Anthony "Tony" J. Bianchi Colonel Anthony J. Bianchi is from Tampa, Florida and was commissioned in the Field. I really wish I didn't have to speak this way about you kids but most of you did the West Point thing for power or prestige, both of which are useless to Infantrymen, we care less what college you went to, if you can't think on your feat when round crack by you then you get my men killed. Be safe out there, use the "recon by fire" method if probing a road and drop to the ground when a frag is near you, the explosion goes up and away. It is not just West Point cadets who outrank NCO's. Paras 2-9 and 2-10, AR 600-20 further reinforce Scott Faiths important points here. Great investment. One of these ignorant academy types was my battalion XO at Fort Ord. The cadet only holds E-6 equivalency. Staff Sergeant Taylor is an accomplished composer whose works have been internationally published and performed. While being true you must also realize there is a need for Commissioned Officers as well as Non Commissioned Officers. In respect of ROTC, the R stipulates that only a contracted cadet in ROTC fits the definition I presented. It's often hard to find but its often the real truth on a subject especially if it's being spoon fed to you in briefs and media. I mean, that certainly seemed to be the case at Airborne School back in the day. This article reminded me of something that raised a question for me after I received my commission and that had to do with LTs saluting each other. So I think he had it right. I do not cater to idiots and refuse to acknowledge someone that does not even respect the rank they expect their subordinates to respect. Tell the NCO's that you don't want to seem like a dick that you're being so picky on things, you're just building trust so later you know who's good to go and what each of our strengths are and that goes for the young LT as well (that's called humility and the men will understand because it's fair). But Im sure he felt stung just a little bit. Command Sergeant Major Fraser military and civilian education include: Basic Leader Course, Advanced Leaders Course, Senior Leaders Course, US Army Drill Sergeant Academy, First Sergeant Course, United States Army Sergeants Major Academy, Garrison Pre-Command Course, Battalion Pre-Command Course, Command Sergeant Major Development Program, Master Resilience Training, HR Plans and Operations Course, Sexual Harassment and Sexual Assault Course, Battle Staff Course, Postal Supervisor, Postal Operations Course, Modern Army Combative Level I and II, Total Army Instructor Course, Equal Opportunity Leader Course, and Combat Lifesaver Course. But usually, you're the one doing most of the work. Even if that enlisted man is the Sgt Maj of the Army. 2-8. We can feel confident we did our hob helping train a. I respected his rank and expertise, but I detested him otherwise. While Deployed with the Corps in support of Operation Inherent Resolve, he also assumed duties as the Combined Joint Task Force (OIR) J-3 Sergeant Major. I was an Air Force Aviation Cadet during the late 1950's. HUGE US Army Sergeants Major Academy USASMA Ft Bliss Military Challenge Coin 6" Sponsored . After enlisting in the US Army in 1984 as a Field Artillery surveyor, Master Sergeant (Promotable) Jeffrey Morris found his way to the Cyber Branch via the Air Force Institute of Technology in Ohio, earning a PhD in Systems Engineering and a follow-on assignment as the Sergeant Major of the Army Cyber Institute at West Point. Its cadets like you that become true leaders, because you have put your ego in check and will EARN the respect of your troops! Upon completion of Basic and Advanced Individual Training at Fort Sill, Oklahoma he began his military career as a Field Artillery Surveyor. Now it was said in good humor. Anyway. I practice it for all things because that was my mom golden rule from childhood to yesterday (dementia stole her from me). Yes I have seen a misguided ROTC cadet DEMAND a salute from an E-9 once. So yes, a West Point cadet DOES outrank a sergeant. Saluting a cadet completely invalidates the First Salute ceremony when they commission. Her education includes a Bachelor of Science in Music Engineering Technology from the University of Miami in Coral Gables, Florida, and a Master of Arts in Management and Leadership from Webster University in St. Louis, Missouri. Shiver me timbers he pooped on the deck. The regulations can only go so far in some jobs and situations in our Army and beyond that you need to be resourceful or have friends who are. which makes it pretty clear that West Point cadets do, in fact, outrank Army NCOs. The garrison supports a base population of over 16,500 Soldiers, Civilians, Family Members, and Contractors as well as supporting over 40,000 retirees in the area. I say these factors because while the SNCO is focused on the lugnut and wheel base the Year 3 cadet is looking at the whole of the Humvee and as much of the landscape around it as he can scope out. ). West Point Staff Deputy Chief of Staff: Adjutant General (G1) Deputy Chief of Staff: Strategic Plans and Assessment (G5) Chief Information Officer/G6 Deputy Chief of Staff: Operations, Plans, Training, Force Protection, International Affairs and Security Cooperation Inspector General Office of Diversity, Inclusion and Equal Opportunity SHARP Office I was an enlisted man and my rank at the time of my discharge in the late Summer of 1989 was Sergeant E5. I see that USMA had a proud communist recently graduate, he might as well spit in my face and all other better warriors than myself before me. On Thursday, January 21, it was reported that the US Army launched an investigation after the unmasking of a supposedly semi-anonymous Twitter account the command sergeant major of West Point Military Academy allegedly used to criticize elected officials and former President Donald Trump. From the enlisted perspective, while drilling with my Guard unit, there was confusion as to where exactly Cadets fit in to the scheme of things. Things are changing around you and you're failing to adapt. Per the order, they are not entitled to a salute. (Still, there is no need to salute them. The U.S. Army, alerted that the command sergeant major of U.S. Military Academy, West Point reportedly violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) by tweeting criticism of former President Donald Trump and also targeted Republican Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, former White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, and Ohio GOP Rep. Jim Jordan has commenced an investigation. . OK, fine. In her free time, she enjoys spending time with her husband and two incredible sons. Salute were means of communication. The best way to train cadets to be officers that their soldiers will look up to and their NCOs will respect is to treat them the way you want them to act. Command Sergeant Major Fraser awards and decorations include: Meritorious Service Medal (1 SOLC, 1OLC), Army Commendation Medal (2 OLC), Army Achievement Medal (1 SOLC, 4 OLC), Presidential Unit Citation, Joint Meritorious Unit, Army Superior Unit, Army Good Conduct Medal (Numeral 6) Defense Service Medal, Kosovo Campaign Ribbon, Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, Korean Defense Service Medal, Noncommissioned Officers Professional Development Ribbon (Numeral 5), Armed Forces Service Medal, Military Outstanding Volunteer Service Medal, Army Service Ribbon, Overseas Service Ribbons (Numeral 3), NATO Medal, Drill Sergeant Identification Badge, Drivers Badge, German Schuetzenschnur Marksmanship Award (Silver), a recipient of the Honorable Order of Saint Barbara, the Noble Patron of Honor, the Martyrdom of Saint Maurice, the COL Robert L. Manning Achievement Medal, and the Order of Horatio Gates Bronze Medal. The key to success in your career is understanding the strengths and weaknesses of your key players AKA your subordinate leaders and junior Soldiers. Forces Korea, the Department of Defense, or any agency of the U.S. government. While the other sources trained and commissioned officers for all USAF career fields, the Aviation Cadet Corps produced only pilots and navigators. Upon the successful completion of flight school cadets received their flight wings and were commissioned as second lieutenants and incured an additional four year service commitment. Mr. Mitchell is a licensed Professional Engineer and a Level III Certified Acquisitions Professional. I have to admit that when he asked what I needed I probably got a little pleasure by responding: a cup of coffee. 2LT Eisenhower, he was a 6' 3" tall man who was assigned to our platoon in 1992. From the junior officer perspective we were seen as coffee and errand boys. Only through a wriiten agreement from the pms tonthe guard commander are allowed to serve as acting LT's. Youre right, Sergeant, a West Point cadet DOES outrank you. You earn everything in the Army. Mr. Mitchell is married to his wife Jill and has three children, Connor, Fisher and Sophia. So you are always busy and have something to do. I wondered how he, as a senior NCO in a highly specialized unit, felt about having cadets around. She received a Bachelor of Music Education from Indiana University, where she studied both trumpet and voice. Or a sergeant major for that matter. If you've ever been in a doctor's appointment and a medical student was assigned to your doctor, that's about how cadets in CTLT and SMP function. West Point grads are elite and you know it, Ask any enlisted person and they will tell you that westpointers are arrogant and on need of a lot of training. In fact, based on my experience there are some West Pointers out there who never learned that. From the senior officer perspective we were largely ignored. More than likely you are just privileged. Cadet you are not a cadet when in you ng or reserve unit. Somewhat surprised by this, and thinking back to my own experiences in CTLT, I asked why he felt that way. Command Sergeant Major Glidewell entered the United States Army in July 1981, and completed Basic Training at Fort Jackson, SC. 2014 - 2016: Command Sgt. CSM Craven has also earned the German, Chilean, and Australian Parachutist badges and is a member of the Prestigious Sergeant Audie Murphy Club. A the this leader our soldiers says to me that I did not ground the equipment right. As a CDT, I was generally treated pretty well at my unit, this could have been because I was Mustang Officer in training and a former NCO, and that my CO was part of the cadre at Western Illinois, so she made it a point to assign me to a vacant officer position, in this case kind of a huge assignment as the Maintenance PLT LDR at a MED Truck CO, whereas most units dont even know what to do with a CDT. So let me get this straight a probably well connect cadet who memorize info given to them as well as staying nice and tidy, as yet to graduate or earn a degree yet some how thinks that they are officers. A CSM outranks a SPC, but you never see the latter salute the former. Scott Faithis a veteran of a half-dozen combat deployments and has served in several different Special Operations units over the course of his Army career. After just two years of military service, Poe attained the rank of Sergeant Major for Artillery, the highest enlisted rank open to him. Subscribe to our email newsletter to receive exclusive news, updates, and concert schedules for the band. Private Industry, n Chief Readiness Flight Eielson AFB, AK *This post originally appeard The Havok Journal * U.S. Army photo by: Mike Strasser/ USMA Public Affairs "(3) Senior regularly assigned Army Soldier refers (in order of priority) to officers, WOs, cadets, NCOs, specialists, or privates present for duty unless they are ineligible under paragraphs 2-15 or 2-16." When a cadet has to leave the USAFA before graduation, he is assigned to a reserve unit with the rank of Airman 2C. (2) If the commander of a headquarters and headquarters element dies, becomes disabled, retires, is reassigned, or is temporarily absent, the senior regularly assigned Army Soldier of the particular headquarters and headquarters element who performs duties within the element will assume command. Jesus.. Future leader in some position in our AF. Allow them to lead you too! It is the oldest of the five American service academies and . I the DC power device safe from accidental shock. A Leaders Guide to Conducting Research Staff Rides, Its a Bird, Its a Plane, Its. In this case he/she is regularly assigned, potentially in an E3, E4, E5, or what have you spot. So as indicated by mil/regs a 17 year old snot nosed cadet is indeed an enlisted social/moral/intellectual/ and just plain all around great american hero. AR 600-20 lists command structure. They receive paygrade of ~E-5 however they hold a higher position. In other words, each the SNCO and the cadet would be functioning appropriately. You know this, you are assigned as whatever rank you have in the guard. Almost, like her husband, an officer and a lady. In the 80s I was an instructor at the ANCOC Leadership School. Technically. Nobody reads your comments past the first four lines. WEST POINT, NY (Oct. 14, 2016) - The U.S. Army and the U.S . I think the part of the reg people have over looked is "the senior regularly assigned Army Soldier will assume command". Your email address will not be published. NEW! She created a public event called "Play Day," which received press from Time Out New York, Gothamist, and various other New York City media outlets. We promise not to send you more than one email a week! Superior to a mere cunning, lazy enlisted man. Just try it. Pilot and navigator cadets went to different flight schools. Don't assume a damn thing, if a young NCO or Soldier tells you he "thinks" the vehicle is ready or has a full tank of fuel, hand him a long stick, send him back to the Motor Pool, have him put the stick into the fuel tank and bring back said stick with fuel on it, that way both of you will now KNOW that the vehicle is fueled. Not only do NCO's get shit on by their LT's but sometimes the LT is getting shit on by his Company Commander. I let crap roll off of my back, but when I attended Fort Knox this last summer there were way too many NCOs who had a big chip on their shoulder. Because according to the Army, they outrank me, sir.. Too many Cadets are treated like children by unprofessional NCOs who fail to realize that they are only alienating their future rather and or senior rather. No one does this better than The Corps. "The purpose of West Point, therefore, is not to act as a glorified drill sergeant but to lay the foundation upon which a career in growth of military knowledge can be based and to accompany it by two indispensable additions; first, such a general education as educated . Dont demand respect earn it. We were enlisted in the Air Force for a two year enlistment. No idea if it is being taught now at BNCOC or ANCOC. Cadets and NCOs do not salute one another. It's virtually guaranteed there are at least one or two SNCO in a given company qualified to take a short term command of the company. Without our outstanding NCO Corps counterparts, there would be no outstanding officers. But short of that, cadets can end up in just about anywhere. Something I wish I knew 50 years ago. The reason you would place cadets above enlisted in the rank chart is because they will be officers. U.S. ARMY INSTALLATION MANAGEMENT COMMAND, "We Are the Army's Home - Pro-Tip: Don't make a blog post, offer a comment section, then expect not to be schooled by your elders, especially when taking a condescending tone. Command Sergeant Major Fraser has deployed to Kosovo and Iraq. A very interesting thread. single time. Share mutual respect and work together is the name of the game. The invested money for the cadet wasted. What comes after is when the real learning begins. Sergeant Major Schlegel earned his Black Belt in Lean Six Sigma (Process Improvement) in 2016, and is actively involved in building the process improvement community at West Point. The Air Force Aviation Cadet program was fazed out during the mid 1960's as the Air Force Academy became the primary source of flight rated officers. *This post originally appeard The Havok Journal*, U.S. Army photo by: Mike Strasser/ USMA Public Affairs, Scott Faithis a veteran of a half-dozen combat deployments and has served in several different Special Operations units over the course of his Army career. Why hasn't a single one of you been taught that humility, respect and honor flows both ways but in different fashions? Im a Senior WO and I can personally attest to the height of arrogance the NCO Corps exercises today. Fort Sill Oklahoma United States Army NCO Academy Challenge Coin . Scotts writing focuses largely on veterans issues, but he is also a big proponent of Constitutional rights and has a deep interest in politics. Here's my advise that will serve you well; always remember this; ASSUMPTIONS ARE THE MOTHER OF ALL FUCK UPS! 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