She had married a man named Robert Kasabian and given him a daughter with a second child on the way. No counselor, I think that's a stretch but Manson certainly heard what they were saying while in prison and heard them and knew what they were seeking. The general consensus seems to have been that it all happened very quickly.But what do I know ! "Journey into Darkness" is a good start. Those people would of gone unpunished, and were very capable of murdering again, especially Watson. There is no reason why it would be rejected when she went to see Bobby Beausoleil. Even if all the things said about her are true in terms of immunity and self interest, that doesn't change that. Some I'm not done pondering, some need more research and I am trying to find an expert or two. She told Richard Caballero that on LaBianca night, there were to be 2 death squads. It was through Charles Melton that she came into contact with Catherine Gypsy Share, a member of Manson family. The recent revelation of the close proximity of the apartment where Saladin Nader allegedly lived and the HQ of the Straight Satans is something that cannot be dismissed as pure Coincidence.When one looks at this case, it's almost miraculous that Vincent Bugliosi had a scenario that answered so many important questions and that the answers all seemed to help his case greatly. By 1980 50% of marriages had/were ending in divorce. At the age of sixteen, she married but it ended in a divorce. are with us in spirit if not in direct alliance. IF I was one of the defense attorneys, I would have asked Linda and most other Prosecution witnesses:1) I'm a little confused and maybe you can help us ALL understand this Helter Skelter business a little better. (click for details). She readily joined the Manson family who supported themselves by indulging in petty crimes like stealing money from homes and selling drugs. Also, the defence lawyer attempted to discredit her testimony by calling her a drug addict, a psychopath, a liar and even the mastermind of all the murders that took place. Catch 22s abound.If Linda did in fact have a valid driver's license there is no reason why it would be rejected when she went to see Bobby Beausoleil. It is amazing to me how many people express feelings such as sympathy about people like Leslie and Linda Good, bright people in some cases?? Because the socialist told me to vote for her, despite only weeks earlier being the leader of a revolution against the 1%. After the trials, Linda escaped the public eye by going back to New Hampshire. AKA: Linda Christian, Yana the Witch, Linda Chiochios. Her father, Rosaire, was a construction worker and the family faced financial difficulties. Linda grew up in the New England town of Milford, New Hampshire. He also said that what was needed was corroboration and that it didn't really matter who ended up as the star witness.It's true that he had little to no case against Leslie at that point, but Diane Lake changed that forever. Of course he knew from the start the jury would question this. St Circumstance saidit just seems strange to me that nobody is willing to consider it at all, as even a possibilityI'm not nobody !Do you not think there is a difference between a person like Ruth who was 15 when her father starting using hard drugs with her and in front of her, and encouraging her to have sex with older strangers WINDING UP hanging around the wrong crowdAnd a single mother like Linda who has parents willing to help her stay out of trouble and encourage her not to be in trouble yet consistently throughout her life CHOOSES to be with the wrong crowd??? The DA's office had to get old charges from Inyo refiled to keep Charlie inside. Dont know about license but she did live in nadhia likre you said my mother cashed her welfare checks back in the 70s.She was shocked to see her. If I point all these out here I won't have things to post in the future ;-). She eventually turned herself in and agreed to become the lead witness for the prosecution in exchange for her own immunity. It's not like he was shooting in the dark. "Also as stated somewhere earlier, it didn't need some bogus story about a Lebanese actor to cover any Linda murder mania, not when 2 of the murderers had previously told police and other witnesses that she hadn't killed anyone.Given that no one was charged with even the attempted murder of or conspiracy to murder Saladin Nader, one might have to conclude you're chucking exhibits from that box of red herrings again Vincent Bugliosi said the only reason Linda went along on those two nights, is because she was the only one out of the group with a valid driver's license. Sort of a before and after. And more than any other witness, Linda Kasabian's testimony helped convict Charles "Tex" Watson, Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten, and Charles Manson. Defence ? After that it is Bugliosi, not Kasabian who is testifying. Perhaps soemthing more general. The problem of course is that Bugliosi does not want that answer. Those who became 18 before 1980. No screaming for it to stop, etc. Linda Kasabian; however, stuck to her testimony. In his closing argument, he uttered some very telling words, namely; "The motives that the co~defendants, the actual killers, had, on the other hand, was a very simple motive. That matters to me, They have a need for HS to be wrong. I guess almost all is fair in love and war. That gives it more weight than retrospective opinions which sometimes is a good thing, but sometimes is not as in what LVH was ultimately charged with. In March of 1970, Kasabian gave birth to a baby boy, which she named Angel. Besides, counsellor, J. Edgar Hoover head your the FBI agrees with me. "Who was watching Sharon Tate?Opinion: "That just don't make no sense". Meanwhile, the ranch was raided and everyone was arrested on auto theft charges. Lynn,I love a story with a good narrator and Bill's voice is excellent for what he does. I've never thought of it like that. They have all said that. All is good. I have read the trial transcripts, I know that site. I doubt it. ]MR.BUGLIOSI: It is not a compound question, it is one single question. There are multiple times where her testimony is not supported by the physical (objective) evidence. It was at night and I had no knowledge of what was happening until we actually got there." This guy said she carried a knife eith her at all times linda was still frightened of manson family finfing her. We believe there to be more than one motive. Dreath saidI agree with your comment about multiple angles. You are certainly entitled to that because we can't read her mind. How's that? A good example is that Mike McGann interview of Leslie that CieloDrive.com put up. So that's who I listen to. Dreath saidyou have a tendency to 'move the goal posts' which makes responding to you rather difficultIf by that you mean that I seem to jump around on the subjects and quotes I'll comment on, that's true. So even if Kasabian was a Hippy, when pared down to essentials, Hippiedom was hardly presented as an advert for something wholesome. Yes. I can give you a few: By 1974 31% of adolescents with divorced parents dropped out of high school, 33% of adolescent girls whose parents divorced became teen mothers 11% of boys who came from divorced families ended up spending time in prison before the age of 32. Of course there could have been alternative possibilities. Especially against a man you think is Jesus Christ.I fully believe the tape with Marvin Part was a hogwash act in order to plead not guilty by reason's of insanity. Linda got her justice in another manner that's all lolThe real Losers in the entire saga are the victims and their families. Later, Robert Kasabian contacted Linda and invited her to meet him in Los Angeles. var part1 = "gw"; If you really want my opinion- to me it confirms she had no intention of testifying. You are correct, alone it is meaningless. Pat never admitted to it though it was in her thought process, just not as the specific reason for being at Cielo. And nothing she said could ever be used against her co~defendants.and Leslie lined up right behind her to do the same by puttin' on the crazy brainwashed actYou frequently say this even though it is frequently pointed out to you that this simply isn't the case and demonstrably so. Same with Shea. During the Tate-LaBianca murders, Kasabian. When you have three major league supporters of Charlie that have had his ear, for example, such as Nicholas Shreck, our own George and AC Fisher Aldag all espousing different narratives, one can't help but wonder and make the comparison with the confusion that existed in the Family in the first place, with Susan saying this, Squeaky, Brenda & Sandy saying that, Linda saying the other, Tex saying blurb and Pat incoherent yet pointing to a big clue with her writing and Leslie saying something else.It seems to be catching around Charlie.If Fleischmann actually did come up with that plan to knock Atkins out of the last seat in the life boat it was brilliantTruly.That said, Richard Caballero had said all along that he felt Susan would never testify against Charlie at trial. Why would she put herself though that if she wasn't trying as hard as she could to be honest and get herself out? Groups like the Revolutionary Youth Movement- Weather Underground and precursors to the SLA like those in the Revolutionary Union who support the strategy of urban warfare espoused by people like H Bruce Franklin and the leadership of Venceramos (sp?) We can listen to Schrek and George and the others who came later claiming to have talked to everyone around the actual killers.Or we can listen to the animals who actually did it?????? How many of us became murderers or aided and abetted murder? Incidentally, it has been well established {by Bugliosi, in his book, well after the trials when there was nothing to gain} that it was Gary Fleishman that pushed for immunity, not Linda Kasabian. His closing argument, like the closing argument of any attorney, is just that 'argument'. But that wasn't what that was about.It isn't so much a case of lying about witness as much as emphasizing anything positive you can find lurking in the scum. Made me think. What does that refer to ? In fact, his case is better against her then Van Houten at that point. Aside from what she wrote, in her 1978 parole hearing she stated "so that at the time that even that I was on the witness stand and gave all my testimony, at that time of my testimony, I was expecting any day really for the world to come to an end at that point on the witness stand. She swore before a Grand Jury, that under the direction of Charlie Manson, she stabbed actress Sharon Tate to death and had participated in the murder of music teacher Gary Hinman.During her grand jury testimony, Atkins testified that there was no limit to what . Ask Van Houten. Now taken into considering the location this apparently took place. But it also denotes the paradox that was the Family. I didn't perceive you as the problem. Far more than the others that actually went to jail, fingers can be pointed at Linda about how not to conduct one's life. She got lucky Atkins folded, leaving her the only game in town and she skated. Why ?Lo' and be hold, Bugliosi had a perfect scenario to answer this very important questionYou make it sound like he made it up ! As we all know Linda Kasabian was born Linda Darlene Drouin on June 21, 1949. Millie McCormack. Could Watson Have Conspired With Suzan LaBerge??? :). Everything he did was part of a plan to wage a horrible war (murder). Hell no, it wasn't even life in jail at the time, it was death in the gas chamber.Please offer some proof that this or something similar is the case. That gave me an insight that Bugliosi & Gentry's book doesn't even hint at, though it initially inspired it. When really, the main reason most people hate them is that they represent a male patriarchy. (Four) - $1 bills; serial #L713312991, #FS70065680, #G10854391G, #R74795353B.She didn't- from the Police Property Report (from the coroner)- the wallet is there, his glasses are not (sorry, couldn't resist). Now that is a great question and I decline to answer on grounds I might further incriminate myself. Its Ok to see things differently Grim.You make alot of eloquent points bud. RH: no that's not what I am saying. Linda married Robert Peasley when she was only sixteen-years-old. Susan Denise Atkins aka Sadie Mae Glutz is a former member of the Charles Manson "Family". Because her fashions were different. Robert Hendrickson saidDreath has a good point - a "good" DA could have gotten THEM all with a "robbery" charge. Matt, thanks so much for the warm welcome back :). However, problems between the young couple led Linda and Tanya back to New Hampshire. She later remarried and had a daughter; however, the marriage was not stable again. Replace something detrimental to his case with something beneficial. Obama just pardoned a woman who was serving "life" in Federal prison for helping a friend to launder some "drug" money.So what can possess an otherwise normal human being to gamble with THEIR entire life on this earth, which is likely to be the REAL heaven. // -->, , ,